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linkThis thread has been created to continue discussion on the matter of the current ascension process of Counts and Dukes. The relevant posting information has been quoted below:
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Liserett wrote:
Forgive me if I am a bit off topic here, but I think it might be interesting to have a similar system for ascension to rank count and duke.
It obviously wouldn't require the same level of detail, but there's currently very little on the topic. Vassals ascension are currently processed at the sole discretion of their liege and requirements seem to vary substantially from one to another. I would love to see some sort of guidelines, as well as perhaps a small showcase of the achievements leading to the new rank. Involvement on various aspects should be encouraged from all, not only for kingship applicants.
Gimpy IV wrote:
The reason we don't have that system is exactly what you've stated, many lieges requirements are very different. I think it should stay that way, though if you disagree feel free to argue your point.
Liserett wrote:
Unfortunately, the level of my frustration build up in that aspect is too high for me to make a case without obvious and potentially harsh comparisons. I'll just say that I think it would be a good idea. If I'm the only one, then the case is dismissed and that's fine. But I do love transparency and a certain level of coherence.
EDIT: I would hate for this message to be misunderstood. I am happy I worked hard to deserve the rank that was granted to me, I do not think it was too early or much too late and that is not the source of my frustration. This being said, other instances of rank ascension makes me wonder just how significant (or insignificant) the work I put into it was, at the extent that it is difficult for me to even be proud of having attained countship if it seems to be granted based what the word subjective doesn't begin to describe. It would be nice to have flexible, but clear and transparent guidelines.
Nicholas wrote:
Taking these one at a time:
Count ascensions now occur entirely inside of a recognized realm and under a liege who is a Duke or King, as all newcomers now begin under a liege. We have traditionally left lieges a fair amount of leeway in regards to rules they must follow and requirements they must achieve; two examples here include contracts that lieges may sign with their vassals (not under the purview of the Mercurian Courts) and taxes lieges might choose to levy on their vassals (same story). Much the same goes for requirements for ascension to Count, and I am personally somewhat inclined to leave it that way. But of course I respect your point Liserett; it bears more thought, and I look forward to seeing others' thoughts on this.
Ascension to Duke is a bit trickier, as we have two scenarios: either a) the Duke is promoted inside a Kingdom - i.e. myself in Ertia or Sam in Perth (see arguments above, as they apply much the same way) or b) the Duke is promoted by the Council of the Crowned. In this case, I agree that it might certainly be time to update the language on requirements for promotion - the question then becomes in what ways. I believe that a good amount of the discussion on Kingship above is probably transferable.
Thoughts? I'm really glad Liserett raised this point, as it's one we haven't touched on a tall so far.
