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PostPosted: July 21st, 2016, 11:28 pm 
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Greetings! Over the past few weeks, a tremendous amount of discussion concerning the role of the Emperor has culminated in the passing of a constitutional amendment defining duties and responsibilities of the Emperor in a way that affirms the Empire's divine and imperial authority while also bringing the position in line with the realities of a changed political structure and culture. Good job all!

However, an issue has come to light - the very minute after the amendment was passed, unfortunately - which seems to have been met with a communal consensus as a way to make this law simpler, clearer, and more sensible. This concerns the nominations process for Emperor elections by which Counts and/or Dukes must nominate candidates from the Council of the Crowned.

The original language restricting nominations to Counts/Dukes was borne out of a desire to a) grant unique duties to lesser nobles to make up for them not being able to contend for emperor and b) allow for a symbolically-pleasing sense that the Emperor is truly beholden to teh community. However, further reflection upon this idea - again, after the bill was passed, apologies all - has yielded several potential problems or at least needless complications:

- Requiring nominations from others instead of being able to declare yourself leaves the Emperor position potentially vulnerable to quasi-blocs of voting and special interests.

- Requiring nominations from others instead of being able to declare yourself may leave it unclear as to who actually wants to stand for Emperor.

- Requiring nominations was originally conceived as a measure against the same individuals standing for Emperor - with our limited Council pool and the openness of this community this is unlikely to be a true issue. Compensating for a potentially non-existent problem by introducing nominations makes the whole process needlessly complicated for no real reason.

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The current - just ratified - relevant sections of the Indoles Carta are as follows:

The Indoles Carta

II. Elections and Titles

Election of the Emperor/Empress

Only Crowned Kings and Queens, sitting members of the Council of the Crowned, may fill the elected position of Emperor of the Mercurian Empire. Upon the death or abdication of the current Emperor, an Empire-wide election for the position must be scheduled no later than one (1) week after the Emperor’s leave of office.

In the period immediately prior to the election, the Counts and Dukes of the Mercurian Empire may nominate current sitting members of the Council of the Crowned for the position of Emperor. Sitting members of the Council of the Crowned at the time of the Emperor’s leave of office may not nominate themselves or other sitting members of the Council of the Crowned.

Beginning the scheduled date of the election, a one-week period of voting shall take place, open to all nobles (Counts, Dukes, and Kings/Queens) of the Empire, for the election of the Emperor. Each noble is entitled to a single vote of equal value. After the one-week period has elapsed, all votes will be tallied. The candidate with the greatest total number of votes shall be recognized as the next Emperor, to serve until death or voluntary abdication. In a case where the two leading candidates receive an equal number of votes, a second run-off election shall immediately be held upon the conclusion of all votes being tallied, subject to the same procedures as the initial election, between the two leading candidates, repeating if necessary until a candidate emerges with a greater total number of votes to be designated the next Emperor.

Act of Definitions: Noble Titles and Legal Holdings

Emperor/Empress

The Emperor or Empress of the Mercurian Empire is the representative of the divinity of the Council of the Crowned, elected from within the ranks of the Council and equal in rights and abilities to each of the sitting members of the latter. In this role, the Emperor/Empress holds the responsibility of performing tasks on behalf of the Council of the Crowned, including but not limited to the crowning of newly ascended Kings/Queens to the Council and the delivering of announcements on behalf of the Council.

The Emperor or Empress also holds the responsibility of acting as sociocultural ambassador for the Empire, representing the diversity and community of the Empire and fostering community ties and development. In this role, the Emperor/Empress holds the responsibility of representing the community in specific instances, including but not limited to officiating cultural events such as the Imperial Games, introducing communal initiatives and lore events, and travelling the Empire to foster development and cooperation.

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The proposed amendment to this language - changes are highlighted in red - is as follows:

The Indoles Carta

II. Elections and Titles

Election of the Emperor/Empress

Only Crowned Kings and Queens, sitting members of the Council of the Crowned, may fill the elected position of Emperor of the Mercurian Empire. Upon the death or abdication of the current Emperor, an Empire-wide election for the position must be scheduled no later than one (1) week after the Emperor’s leave of office.

In the period immediately prior to the election, active sitting members of the Council of the Crowned may declare themselves in the Offices of the Emperor to be standing for election to the position of Emperor.

Beginning the scheduled date of the election, a one-week period of voting shall take place, open to all nobles (Counts, Dukes, and Kings/Queens) of the Empire, for the election of the Emperor. Each noble is entitled to a single vote of equal value. After the one-week period has elapsed, all votes will be tallied. The candidate with the greatest total number of votes shall be recognized as the next Emperor, to serve until death or voluntary abdication. In a case where the two leading candidates receive an equal number of votes, a second run-off election shall immediately be held upon the conclusion of all votes being tallied, subject to the same procedures as the initial election, between the two leading candidates, repeating if necessary until a candidate emerges with a greater total number of votes to be designated the next Emperor.

Act of Definitions: Noble Titles and Legal Holdings

Emperor/Empress

The Emperor or Empress of the Mercurian Empire is the representative of the divinity of the Council of the Crowned, elected from within the ranks of the Council and equal in rights and abilities to each of the sitting members of the latter. In this role, the Emperor/Empress holds the responsibility of performing tasks on behalf of the Council of the Crowned, including but not limited to the crowning of newly ascended Kings/Queens to the Council and the delivering of announcements on behalf of the Council.

The Emperor or Empress also holds the responsibility of acting as sociocultural ambassador for the Empire, representing the diversity and community of the Empire and fostering community ties and development. In this role, the Emperor/Empress holds the ceremonial responsibility of representing the community in specific instances, including but not limited to officiating cultural events such as the Imperial Games, introducing communal initiatives and lore events, and travelling the Empire to foster development and cooperation.

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NOTE: As this is in part a constitutional amendment, this bill must receive both a 66% majority from active sitting Members of the Council of the Crowned and a 50% majority from active sitting members of the House of Dukes. For the Ducal bill, go here.

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PostPosted: July 21st, 2016, 11:31 pm 
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I agree with the changes. As discussed, it would show the interested parties a little better.

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PostPosted: July 22nd, 2016, 12:16 am 
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I vote for this change as well

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PostPosted: July 26th, 2016, 5:08 am 
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As per the indoles carta, as of today the only active kings are myself and scrios, meaning this amendment has passed.

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PostPosted: July 26th, 2016, 5:53 am 
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King Myron wrote:
As per the indoles carta, as of today the only active kings are myself and scrios, meaning this amendment has passed.


Wait, what? I believe the wording of the Indoles Carta states that a king will be declared inactive involuntarily in the event that he is absent completely from the server for two weeks, or provides no input on kingly matters for one week. This post was made four days ago. Despite my slight absence from the server (I was on last weekend) due to some hectic work hours and completing some grad school applications, I am still active in the eyes of the law. Please be sure to discuss the inactivity of council members with others before declaring someone to be inactive.

With all this being said, I vote in favor of this amendment and this now has a majority vote in favor, regardless of the perceived inactivity of other Council members.

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PostPosted: July 26th, 2016, 5:55 am 
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a) this WAS discussed with others

b) your last post before this was a week ago in the diplomatic court and there WERE several posts going through here.

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PostPosted: July 26th, 2016, 1:24 pm 
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King Myron wrote:
a) this WAS discussed with others

b) your last post before this was a week ago in the diplomatic court and there WERE several posts going through here.


Actually, if you check the link I provide you will see that I posted literally two days ago in he diplomatic court while discussing the wolf rights bill.

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=819&start=30

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King Arjen IV wrote:
King Myron wrote:
a) this WAS discussed with others

b) your last post before this was a week ago in the diplomatic court and there WERE several posts going through here.


Actually, if you check the link I provide you will see that I posted literally two days ago in he diplomatic court while discussing the wolf rights bill.

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=819&start=30


I know I'm not supposed to post here, but the blame is on myself. I and another told Ignis you had not posted here in a week, and I am not sure how we missed that post. Sorry man! Honest mistake on our part.

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PostPosted: July 26th, 2016, 6:40 pm 
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No worries at all! Sorry, I think I sounded a bit angrier in the post than I actually am. I have been rather busy lately, so my activity has dwindled. I am still following the forums closely though! This situation does raise a bit of a question. If a member of the Council is going to be deemed inactive, is it necessary to first contact him/her before giving them the status? Real life events make us all busy from time to time, and sometimes we maybe done even realize how long it has been since our last post. Perhaps we could make a friendly habit of keeping in touch with others if we suspect they will become lawfully inactive soon?

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King Arjen IV wrote:
No worries at all! Sorry, I think I sounded a bit angrier in the post than I actually am. I have been rather busy lately, so my activity has dwindled. I am still following the forums closely though! This situation does raise a bit of a question. If a member of the Council is going to be deemed inactive, is it necessary to first contact him/her before giving them the status? Real life events make us all busy from time to time, and sometimes we maybe done even realize how long it has been since our last post. Perhaps we could make a friendly habit of keeping in touch with others if we suspect they will become lawfully inactive soon?


Siden said to us that he had told you about it to be fair, but I think everyone would be in agreement. However, messaging in the past and current doesn't typically result in a response if people aren't active.

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